Legislature(2023 - 2024)ADAMS 519

01/25/2023 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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01:34:00 PM Start
01:34:07 PM Overview: Governor's Fy 2024 Operating Budget
03:03:10 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
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+ Overview: Governor's FY 2024 Operating Budget by TELECONFERENCED
Neil Steininger, Director, Office of Management
and Budget
                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     January 25, 2023                                                                                           
                         1:34 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:34:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson called the House Finance Committee meeting                                                                     
to order at 1:34 p.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bryce Edgmon, Co-Chair                                                                                           
Representative DeLena Johnson, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Julie Coulombe                                                                                                   
Representative Mike Cronk                                                                                                       
Representative Alyse Galvin                                                                                                     
Representative Sara Hannan                                                                                                      
Representative Andy Josephson                                                                                                   
Representative Dan Ortiz                                                                                                        
Representative Will Stapp                                                                                                       
Representative Frank Tomaszewski                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neal Foster, Co-Chair                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Neil Steininger, Director, Office of Management and Budget,                                                                     
Office of the Governor; Representative Andrew Gray.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
OVERVIEW: GOVERNOR'S FY 2024 OPERATING BUDGET                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:34:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson offered information about the appropriate                                                                      
titles for the co-chairs of the committee.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson reviewed the meeting agenda.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW: GOVERNOR'S FY 2024 OPERATING BUDGET                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:36:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NEIL STEININGER, DIRECTOR, OFFICE  OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET,                                                                    
OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR, introduced  himself and gave a brief                                                                    
history of his  work at the Office of  Management and Budget                                                                    
(OMB).  He  introduced  a  PowerPoint  presentation  titled,                                                                    
"FY2024 Governor's  Budget HB 39,  HB 40, and HB  41," dated                                                                    
January  25,  2023  (copy  on file).  He  relayed  that  the                                                                    
presentation  focused  on  some   of  the  more  significant                                                                    
challenges facing  the state  in the  development, planning,                                                                    
and execution of the budget.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson ensured there  were no questions before Mr.                                                                    
Steininger began his presentation.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:37:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger  began the presentation  on slide  2, "Budget                                                                    
Lookback."  The   governor  inherited  the  FY   19  budget,                                                                    
detailed  on  the far  left  side  of the  slide.  Including                                                                    
supplementals,  the  FY 19  budget  was  slightly over  $4.8                                                                    
billion  with   around  $4   billion  dedicated   to  agency                                                                    
operations and  $663 million to statewide  operations. State                                                                    
operations  included items  like debt  service and  deposits                                                                    
into savings  accounts. He relayed  that the  capital budget                                                                    
for  FY 19  was $168  million. In  the FY  24 proposal,  the                                                                    
budget  totaled  just  under $4.8  billion  in  unrestricted                                                                    
general  funds  (UGF),  which  was  roughly  a  1.3  percent                                                                    
decrease since 2019. The majority  of the decrease came from                                                                    
statewide operations.  The $132  million increase  in agency                                                                    
operations from FY  19 to FY 24 represented  a net reduction                                                                    
in some  areas and investments  in others. The  savings were                                                                    
used to  invest in  priority areas  like the  protection and                                                                    
investment in the development of  the state. The goal was to                                                                    
make Alaska a good place to live.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger  continued that on the  operating side, there                                                                    
was just  short of a  4 percent reduction  from FY 19  to FY                                                                    
24. There  was an increase  of about 2.9 percent  in revenue                                                                    
as reported by  OMB, which excluded the  Permanent Fund from                                                                    
the total  revenue. The proposed transfer  into the dividend                                                                    
fund would  come out of  the percent of market  value (POMV)                                                                    
draw. The overall POMV calculation  had increased over time,                                                                    
however  the  amount  that  was  proposed  to  be  used  for                                                                    
government  items  had  decreased.  There  were  some  other                                                                    
adjustments  that   he  would   discuss  later  on   in  the                                                                    
presentation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:40:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan recalled  that there  was a  focus in                                                                    
the prior  year on catching  up on  oil and gas  tax credits                                                                    
owed  by  the  state.  She asked  if  Mr.  Steininger  could                                                                    
provide  more detailed  information  on oil  and gas  credit                                                                    
catchups.  She asked  if the  state was  caught up  from the                                                                    
prior year.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger  responded that  when the  appropriation bill                                                                    
for  FY  23  was  passed,  projections  indicated  that  the                                                                    
credits would  be paid off  completely. The  calculation for                                                                    
the  payment  included in  the  appropriation  was based  on                                                                    
revenue,  and  the  number of  credits  represented  in  the                                                                    
calculation were less than the  total amount owed. There was                                                                    
$42.7 million pushed  into FY 24 due to  the reduced revenue                                                                    
projections.  He indicated  that  Representative Hannan  was                                                                    
correct in  that the  credits were intended  to be  paid off                                                                    
completely.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:42:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger  moved to  slide 3 relating  to the  usage of                                                                    
funds. Previously,  the section  would have had  a different                                                                    
name,  but it  was changed  to better  align with  statutory                                                                    
language  and provide  more clarity.  In non-formula  agency                                                                    
operations,  the budget  was effectively  flat from  year to                                                                    
year.  The  agency  non-formula spending  referred  to  more                                                                    
direct   agency  activities,   which  included   items  like                                                                    
discretionary  grant programs,  travel for  state employees,                                                                    
and the  core costs of  doing business. Items like  the K-12                                                                    
education program, Medicaid,  and public assistance programs                                                                    
were covered under the agency  formula operations, which was                                                                    
down about  $52 million  year over  year. The  programs were                                                                    
defined separately  because there  was a formula  in statute                                                                    
that defined the  amount the state would pay  out. There was                                                                    
less discretion  in the programs  in terms of  increasing or                                                                    
decreasing the amount spent.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger  continued that  in the  FY 24  budget, there                                                                    
was a  proposal to pay  the full statutory formula  for K-12                                                                    
at  the  base  student  allocation  (BSA)  level  which  was                                                                    
increased  by  a  bill  that   had  passed  in  2022.  Under                                                                    
statewide operations,  there was a significant  drop off for                                                                    
oil  and gas  credits  in the  "capitalizations and  others"                                                                    
category. There was  also a small reduction  in debt service                                                                    
due to paying off bonds  and a slight increase in retirement                                                                    
system costs,  which came from market  returns on retirement                                                                    
investments.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steininger reported  that the  capital budget  was down                                                                    
about $460 million  year over year. The  previous budget was                                                                    
fairly  significant and  involved  a  substantial amount  of                                                                    
revenue that  had built up over  the years and needed  to be                                                                    
distributed to meet some previously  unmet capital needs. He                                                                    
explained that OMB  had included a placeholder  on the slide                                                                    
for  FY 23  supplementals of  $85 million.  The supplemental                                                                    
budget  was statutorily  due on  January 31,  2023, and  OMB                                                                    
would be releasing  more detail in the near  future. The $85                                                                    
million figure was  an initial estimate made  in December of                                                                    
2022,  but more  information was  now available  and it  had                                                                    
become clear  that $85 million  was an  optimistic estimate.                                                                    
When the  appropriation bill for  FY 23 was  passed, revenue                                                                    
estimates were significantly higher  than the estimates were                                                                    
currently.  It had  appeared that  education would  be fully                                                                    
forward  funded;  however, due  to  a  decline in  projected                                                                    
revenue  only  about  $49  million  would  be  available  to                                                                    
forward fund  education instead  of the  originally expected                                                                    
sum of $1.2 billion.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Ortiz asked  if  there was  a known  minimum                                                                    
figure for the FY 23 supplementals.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger  responded that OMB was  working with various                                                                    
departments in  anticipation of the  bill being  released in                                                                    
the following  week. He could  not give an exact  number but                                                                    
thought that $85 million was  optimistic and it would likely                                                                    
be in the $100 million range.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:47:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger  moved to slide  4 to discuss the  sources of                                                                    
funds. The  unrestricted revenue  was an  additional revenue                                                                    
to  the  state  that  was  currently  coming  from  the  oil                                                                    
industry.  There was  a  reduction  in unrestricted  revenue                                                                    
from  FY 23  to  FY 24  of  about $455  million  due to  the                                                                    
projected  outlook of  oil prices  in the  future. The  POMV                                                                    
draw was  increasing and made up  for some of the  losses on                                                                    
the  traditional   revenue  side.  The   restricted  revenue                                                                    
referred to the  revenue coming in from  federal sources and                                                                    
direct  agency collections  for  items like  direct fee  for                                                                    
service.  The  draws,   deposits,  and  adjustments  section                                                                    
reflected  elements  that  were  not  current  year  revenue                                                                    
collections,  but  were  monies   that  were  available  for                                                                    
appropriations to  support state  programs. In FY  23, there                                                                    
was a direct  appropriation from a savings  account that was                                                                    
a statutory  budget reserve.  Another important  element was                                                                    
prior  year carry  forward,  which was  a  term to  describe                                                                    
times when  the legislature made an  operating appropriation                                                                    
that  covered  multiple  years.  The  K-12  draw  in  FY  24                                                                    
reflected  that  the  $49.4  million  was  available  to  be                                                                    
deposited for the forward funding  of education. The federal                                                                    
government gave the state about  $1 billion through American                                                                    
Rescue Plan  Act (ARPA) to  offset general  operating costs.                                                                    
It was  assumed that the  state had used all  available ARPA                                                                    
funds, but  as FY 22 came  to a close the  state found about                                                                    
$10 million that was unspent.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp asked for  a clarification on the $49.4                                                                    
million figure under UGF on slide  4. He asked if the figure                                                                    
still existed or if it had changed.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steininger   responded  that  $49.4  million   was  the                                                                    
estimate  based on  the most  recent official  forecast from                                                                    
the  Department of  Revenue (DOR)  released  in December  of                                                                    
2022. There had not  been another official forecast released                                                                    
since then. The figure could  increase based on the changing                                                                    
price of oil, but it was a volatile projection.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp asked  if it  would impact  the $263.9                                                                    
million deficit objective.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steininger   responded  in  the   affirmative.  Updated                                                                    
revenue projections  were typically released in  mid to late                                                                    
March, and at that time  OMB would update its public reports                                                                    
to show the new revenue estimate.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson  indicated that she intended  to finish the                                                                    
meeting by 3:00 p.m.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:52:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steininger moved  to  slide 5  to  discuss the  savings                                                                    
balances.  The  deficit  projected  for FY  24  was  managed                                                                    
through  a  few  transactions  within  the  state's  savings                                                                    
account. The  department proposed that the  $49.4 million be                                                                    
used on K-12  education in FY 24, the  remaining $20 million                                                                    
from the  statutory budget  reserve be used  to pay  for the                                                                    
$20  million  projected   deficit,  and  the  Constitutional                                                                    
Budget  Reserve  (CBR) be  used  for  the remainder  of  the                                                                    
deficit.  The CBR  balance was  projected to  be about  $2.2                                                                    
billion at the  start of FY 23 based on  the large amount of                                                                    
revenue received in FY 22.  He acknowledged that FY 23 began                                                                    
six  months ago,  but the  surpluses from  FY 22  were still                                                                    
subject to audit. There would  be updates to the projections                                                                    
once the  audit was  complete. There  were no  projected CBR                                                                    
draws in FY 23, but the  account would earn some interest on                                                                    
the money.  The draw in FY  24 would result in  about a $2.2                                                                    
billion  projected ending  balance  for  the CBR.  Generally                                                                    
speaking, the  minimum CBR balance  to manage cash  flow and                                                                    
maintain  the  functionality of  the  state  was about  $500                                                                    
million, which  would put  the state  in a  more comfortable                                                                    
range than it would have been projections in prior years.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  noted that  at a recent  rally for                                                                    
education,  he heard  that  K-12 needed  to  be funded  $260                                                                    
million  more than  it was  in 2017.  He asked  if the  only                                                                    
source of  revenue for education  would be the CBR  if there                                                                    
was no new revenue.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger  responded that  if no  other aspects  of the                                                                    
fiscal picture were addressed, any  increase would come from                                                                    
the CBR.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Coulombe was surprised  that $500 million was                                                                    
the figure determined  to be the minimum  savings balance to                                                                    
maintain cashflows. She asked where the number came from.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger responded  that OMB met with  the Division of                                                                    
Finance to  discuss the functional  management of  cash flow                                                                    
as  the  state  collected  revenue.  The  division  and  OMB                                                                    
discussed how  much money would  be required to  simply keep                                                                    
the   state  functioning.   Other   elements  like   revenue                                                                    
volatility were not taken into  account. The number that was                                                                    
decided upon was  just over $400 million, and  he rounded up                                                                    
to $500  million for the sake  of prudence. When it  came to                                                                    
federal  programs, the  state  paid out  of  pocket and  got                                                                    
reimbursed  by  the  federal   government  later.  The  $400                                                                    
million  figure represented  the  maximum  amount the  state                                                                    
would be able to spend  in advance of collecting the federal                                                                    
dollars. If other elements were  taken into account, such as                                                                    
revenue  volatility,  the   figure  would  be  significantly                                                                    
larger than $500 million.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:58:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  asked   about  the  minimum  savings                                                                    
balance on  the CBR. She  asked if there was  any indication                                                                    
of the  credit rating and  how the rating would  be affected                                                                    
if the CBR was drawn down to $500 million.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steininger clarified  that the  administration was  not                                                                    
recommending that the account be  drawn to $500 million. The                                                                    
administration saw the  $2.2 billion figure to  be much more                                                                    
stable. He  deferred her  question on  the credit  rating to                                                                    
DOR.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Galvin  asked   if  she   could  get   more                                                                    
information after the meeting.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger would follow up in writing.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:59:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger advanced to slide  6 which illustrated one of                                                                    
the  bigger   budget  challenges   facing  the   state.  The                                                                    
volatility  of  the  state's  traditional  revenue  made  it                                                                    
difficult  to make  a  plan to  fund  state government.  The                                                                    
graph on the  slide represented DOR's FY  23 UGF traditional                                                                    
revenue  forecast  amounts  over  time. The  FY  23  revenue                                                                    
estimates were $2.2  billion higher than they  were when the                                                                    
governor   released  his   initial   budget  proposal.   The                                                                    
projections were showing fully  forward funded education and                                                                    
oil  and gas  tax  credits when  the  budget was  originally                                                                    
signed;  however, as  revenue and  projections dropped,  the                                                                    
ability to forward fund items  dropped as well. From the day                                                                    
the FY 23 budget was signed  to the day the governor's FY 24                                                                    
budget  was released,  the projections  had dropped  by $1.8                                                                    
billion.  The  reduction  showed how  quickly  things  could                                                                    
change and how quickly revenue  could drop. It was important                                                                    
to  maintain  flexibility  in  order  to  manage  unforeseen                                                                    
events.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steininger   advanced  to   slide  7  to   discuss  the                                                                    
recruitment  and retention  issues  in  state positions.  He                                                                    
relayed that one  of the biggest challenges  was bringing in                                                                    
the  staff necessary  to  do the  work.  He highlighted  the                                                                    
table  on  the left  side  of  the  slide which  showed  the                                                                    
percent of positions by agency  that were vacant in December                                                                    
of 2022. He noted that some  of the numbers were flipped and                                                                    
he would provide  an updated report to  the committee. There                                                                    
were some  positions that were  seasonal and  therefore were                                                                    
often vacant in  the winter or in the summer,  but there was                                                                    
a significant  overall reduction in the  number of positions                                                                    
that were  filled. Additionally, the state  was removing the                                                                    
positions that could  not be filled, and  what remained were                                                                    
only the  positions that  were necessary  for the  work that                                                                    
needed  to be  done. Another  item  of note  was what  would                                                                    
happen  to  the  money  budgeted for  a  position  when  the                                                                    
position could not  be filled. He explained  that there were                                                                    
a  few appropriations  that directed  the administration  on                                                                    
what  to do  with  money made  available  by vacancies.  The                                                                    
money generally went  to the working reserve,  which was the                                                                    
state's account  to manage  workers' compensation  claims on                                                                    
behalf  of  state  employees,  the  group  health  and  life                                                                    
account, which  helped stabilize health insurance  costs for                                                                    
state  employees,  and  the  catastrophic  reserve  account,                                                                    
which was  the state's  self-insurance account  for building                                                                    
insurance.  The  money  was   used  with  the  intention  of                                                                    
stabilizing future expenditures for the state.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:05:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp asked about  the difference between the                                                                    
vacancy rate  and the  vacancy factor.  To him,  the vacancy                                                                    
rate seemed  significantly higher  than the  vacancy factor.                                                                    
He asked  if Mr. Steininger had  an idea of what  the number                                                                    
actually was.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger  responded that the  idea behind  the vacancy                                                                    
factor  used   in  OMB's  reports  was   that  with  natural                                                                    
turnover,  some  positions  would  never be  filled  at  100                                                                    
percent. For  example, if the  vacancy factor was  5 percent                                                                    
in a 100  employee division, five of the  employees would be                                                                    
completely unfunded.  The goal  was to  allow for  a natural                                                                    
turnover  rate   while  ensuring  that  there   were  enough                                                                    
employees to  do the work.  He wanted  to leave room  for an                                                                    
agency to hire  for the positions in the  future. He relayed                                                                    
that OMB  was following guidance from  previous legislatures                                                                    
on how the money from unfilled positions should be spent.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Edgmon  remarked  that  slide  7  had  caught  his                                                                    
attention and  he thought it attempted  to encapsulate where                                                                    
the state was  in the vacancy factor. He wanted  to focus on                                                                    
the vacancy issue  and thought that it was  a pivotal policy                                                                    
challenge for the entire legislature.  He recalled that last                                                                    
year, Representatives  Josephson, Ortiz, and others  spent a                                                                    
good  amount  of  time  on  the issue  and  heard  from  the                                                                    
Department  of Transportation  and  Public Facilities  (DOT)                                                                    
among other  departments about all of  the various vacancies                                                                    
across   agencies.  He   had   learned   from  last   year's                                                                    
presentations  that  a  quarter  of the  workforce  was  not                                                                    
filled. He wanted  to hear from the  administration what the                                                                    
plan  was to  fill  the vacancies  and  the strategies  that                                                                    
would be in place to  mitigate the problem. Many people were                                                                    
unable to get the assistance  that they needed because there                                                                    
were not  enough workers to  fulfill the  needs. Considering                                                                    
what was happening across the  state and nation, the problem                                                                    
was likely to worsen.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:12:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  thought Representative Edgmon  set up                                                                    
her question well. She considered  the vacancy rates for the                                                                    
Department of Health (DOH) and  the Department of Family and                                                                    
Community  Services  (DFCS),   formerly  the  Department  of                                                                    
Health  and  Social  Services  (DHSS).  She  knew  that  the                                                                    
numbers were percentages and that  the vacancy rates for the                                                                    
two new departments could not  be added together to estimate                                                                    
what DHSS rates  would have been. She  speculated that there                                                                    
would have been a higher vacancy  rate if DHSS was not split                                                                    
in  two. She  understood  that the  legislature funded  many                                                                    
positions that  were not even advertised.  She wondered what                                                                    
the vacancy rate would have been if DHSS was not split.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger  responded that he could  do the calculations                                                                    
and speculated  that the  rate would  be an  average between                                                                    
DOH  and DFCS.  He thought  that the  vacancy rate  would be                                                                    
closer  to  22.8  percent  when  blended  together.  In  the                                                                    
Division of  Public Assistance  (DPA), the  commissioner was                                                                    
now  able to  focus on  public assistance  more readily  and                                                                    
more directly.  The increased focus  was one of  the biggest                                                                    
benefits of the department split.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan wanted to hear  from OMB. On paper, it                                                                    
was known that  there was a deadline and  it was anticipated                                                                    
that more  employees would  be needed.  It was  important to                                                                    
deliver the most  vital services to the  most vulnerable and                                                                    
the  crisis  had left  families  unfed  for the  winter.  In                                                                    
practice, the state was nowhere near its target.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  was curious  about the  impacts on                                                                    
the Department  of Law (DOL). He  was involved in a  bill in                                                                    
the  prior year  that focused  on giving  a substantial  pay                                                                    
raise to  attorneys and noted  that the vacancy rate  at DOL                                                                    
was  only 11.4  percent. He  asked if  it was  possible that                                                                    
state  jobs  simply had  lost  curb  appeal. He  noted  that                                                                    
defined benefits were a priority  of the other body and that                                                                    
it was an ongoing issue.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger  responded that Representative  Josephson was                                                                    
correct  to note  that  the  vacancy rate  at  DOL was  low.                                                                    
Addressing   the   pay    disparity   among   attorneys   by                                                                    
implementing  20 percent  pay  adjustment  had an  immediate                                                                    
impact. He did  not think that state employment  was seen as                                                                    
unattractive,  but  he was  aware  that  pay was  always  an                                                                    
issue.  However, the  state  tried to  make  cost of  living                                                                    
adjustments for  state employees.  The wages  that attorneys                                                                    
were  previously   earning  were  a  good   example  because                                                                    
attorneys  were not  receiving cost  of living  adjustments,                                                                    
and the 20 percent adjustment  moved the attorneys up to the                                                                    
going  rate  as  determined  by the  bargaining  units.  The                                                                    
concerns  about  executing the  plan  on  paper was  why  he                                                                    
included  it  in the  budget  challenges.  He was  sure  the                                                                    
administration  would  be  happy   to  have  a  more  robust                                                                    
conversation on the topic.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:19:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Ortiz  recalled  that Mr.  Steininger  spoke                                                                    
earlier about  the ways resources  were used  when vacancies                                                                    
were unfilled.  He asked if  Mr. Steininger had  the ability                                                                    
to use  the resources that  came from unfilled  positions to                                                                    
increase recruitment and create  incentives in order to stem                                                                    
the tide.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger responded  in short, yes. The  state had used                                                                    
the  strategy  in  various agencies  to  create  hiring  and                                                                    
recruitment incentives  to try  to attract  more candidates.                                                                    
In DOT,  there was  a strategy  called mission  critical pay                                                                    
incentives,  which  was  utilized when  the  department  was                                                                    
experiencing extreme  difficulty in staffing. He  noted that                                                                    
all incentives  were negotiated  through personnel  with the                                                                    
respective bargaining unit associated with the agency.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Ortiz   understood  that  the   decision  of                                                                    
whether to  use the  resources to create  greater incentives                                                                    
would begin with the relevant commissioner.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger responded that the  Division of Personnel was                                                                    
within  DOA and  the process  would generally  begin with  a                                                                    
conversation with the commissioner of DOA.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Ortiz    understood   that    the   vacancy                                                                    
percentages meant more when an  agency's ability to contract                                                                    
and permit projects  was inhibited. He asked  if someone was                                                                    
looking at  the overall  health of  the economy  and whether                                                                    
there was a plan to address the impact of the shortages.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger  responded in  the affirmative.  He explained                                                                    
that  DOA  had been  working  closely  with the  cabinet  to                                                                    
understand the impacts and the  root cause. It was sometimes                                                                    
difficult to  determine why  recruitment was  more difficult                                                                    
in  some agencies  than  it was  in  others. Some  solutions                                                                    
could  be  seen  in  the   budget,  such  as  rural  housing                                                                    
solutions  and  pay incentives.  However,  the  issue was  a                                                                    
budgetary  execution problem  and many  solutions were  non-                                                                    
budgetary  acts.  When an  agency  was  unable to  meet  its                                                                    
mission, a problem was created  for the public. An important                                                                    
thing   to  note   was  that   the  slide   offered  vacancy                                                                    
percentages  as  of  December  of  2022,  but  many  of  the                                                                    
agencies had  naturally higher vacancy  rates in  the winter                                                                    
due to  the seasonality  of the work.  Even so,  the vacancy                                                                    
rates were higher than OMB preferred.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:26:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Galvin  calculated   that  she   added  the                                                                    
personal services  expenses on the  bottom right of  slide 7                                                                    
to be  $69.5 million.  She was curious  to know  if Alaska's                                                                    
process was a common way  for states to approach accounting.                                                                    
She thought  it seemed like a  very large sum of  money. She                                                                    
noted that  many of the  agencies were not performing  up to                                                                    
standard  and  Alaskans  were suffering.  For  example,  she                                                                    
relayed that  many Alaskans were  concerned about  the state                                                                    
roads  not  being maintained  properly  with  the influx  of                                                                    
snow,  the public  bus system  not functioning  well, safety                                                                    
officers  being unable  to respond  to  a situation  quickly                                                                    
enough, and  many other  problems. She  wondered if  a legal                                                                    
defense fund needed to be  implemented. She thought it would                                                                    
be interesting to know if there  was a plan for the funds to                                                                    
fill  in the  holes  to ensure  that  the services  Alaskans                                                                    
needed would  be available. She  did not expect him  to have                                                                    
the answer  about other  states on hand  but wondered  if he                                                                    
could supply the information in the future.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Steininger  responded   that  the   personal  services                                                                    
categories, which  consisted of  the working  reserve, group                                                                    
health  life, and  catastrophic  reserve, may  be called  by                                                                    
different names in other states,  but all states had similar                                                                    
funds. The state  took a percentage of  the payroll expenses                                                                    
to  fund the  accounts.  The mechanism  for unspent  general                                                                    
funds flowing  into the accounts  was a structure set  up in                                                                    
the language  of the budget  and had been  established prior                                                                    
to his  time in OMB.  He was  unsure if the  exact mechanism                                                                    
was used by other states.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson  asked for questions  to be held  until the                                                                    
end.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steininger  advanced  to slide  8  to  discuss  another                                                                    
budget challenge:  the match rate for  the Medicaid program.                                                                    
Under  the  COVID-19  public  health  emergency,  the  state                                                                    
received an  enhanced federal medical  assistance percentage                                                                    
match (eFMAP) of  6.2 percent resulting in  $17.3 million in                                                                    
state  savings  per  quarter.  On  December  29,  2022,  the                                                                    
federal government authorized a phase  out of eFMAP over the                                                                    
course  of state  FY 23  and FY  24. The  phase out  was not                                                                    
incorporated into  the state budget  crafted in  December of                                                                    
2022 because it was announced  after the budget was created.                                                                    
There  would  be  some  budget  amendments  to  address  the                                                                    
updates  from the  federal government.  He relayed  that OMB                                                                    
was working  with DOH to  determine how the phase  out would                                                                    
impact  the state's  share of  Medicaid. He  summarized that                                                                    
the phase out would allow  the state to redetermine Medicaid                                                                    
eligibility.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Coulombe  understood  that  the  eligibility                                                                    
redetermination would begin  on April 1 and  asked who would                                                                    
be doing  the determination. She  noted that DOH had  a high                                                                    
vacancy rate and she thought that  there would need to be an                                                                    
increased hiring effort.  She asked if the plan  was to hire                                                                    
more people to manage the eligibility redetermination.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steininger  responded  that   the  Division  of  Public                                                                    
Assistance  would be  responsible  for the  work, which  was                                                                    
within  DOH. He  explained  that OMB  was  working with  the                                                                    
division to  devise a  plan. He  confirmed that  the process                                                                    
would  begin on  April 1  and would  revolve around  rolling                                                                    
redetermination over the subsequent 14 months.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:33:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson   asked  if  the  result   of  the                                                                    
redetermination would  be an  increased number  of uninsured                                                                    
people. He  asked if the  increase in  uninsured individuals                                                                    
might be  an argument for increasing  behavioral health fund                                                                    
transfers to nonprofits organizations.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger  responded that he  would defer  the question                                                                    
to DOH  to determine where  the line should be  for Medicaid                                                                    
eligibility.  Individuals  might  have   found  a  job  that                                                                    
provided health insurance and might  not know that they were                                                                    
still on Medicaid.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steininger  advanced  to  slide  9,  which  showed  the                                                                    
relative  size  of  every  state   agency  included  in  the                                                                    
operating budget.  The largest agency was  the Department of                                                                    
Education  and  Early  Development   (DEED),  and  the  vast                                                                    
majority of  the money  was going  towards the  K-12 formula                                                                    
program.  The  next  largest  agency  was  DOH  due  to  the                                                                    
Medicaid  program.  Following  DOH  was  the  Department  of                                                                    
Corrections  (DOC),  which   was  almost  completely  funded                                                                    
through general  funds. He indicated  that the  K-12 formula                                                                    
and Medicaid made up the bulk of state offerings.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Coulombe  asked if  the numbers for  DEED and                                                                    
DOH included federal funds.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger responded that it was just UGF.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steininger advanced  to  slide 10  to  cover some  high                                                                    
points from the FY 24  budget proposal. He reported that UGF                                                                    
operating was down almost 4  percent since FY 19. The budget                                                                    
proposal included  a full statutory Permanent  Fund Dividend                                                                    
(PFD), which  was estimated to  be $3,860. The  budget fully                                                                    
funded the $5,960  per student BSA, which resulted  in a net                                                                    
UGF  reduction of  $1.7 million.  The reduction  was because                                                                    
the state  share was slightly  lower due to some  changes in                                                                    
the amount covered  by the communities and it  resulted in a                                                                    
larger  amount   distributed  out  to  the   districts.  The                                                                    
proposal included year  two funding of $6.4  million for the                                                                    
Reads  Act,  fully funded  school  bond  debt and  municipal                                                                    
debt,  and fully  funded power  cost equalization  (PCE) and                                                                    
scholarship programs.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:37:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger  moved to  slide 11 to  continue to  speak to                                                                    
the budget high  points. One of the  biggest challenges when                                                                    
recruiting in  rural Alaska was finding  enough housing. The                                                                    
problem  had  existed  in  the  past,  but  it  used  to  be                                                                    
experienced only by public safety  professionals, and it was                                                                    
now  experienced   across  multiple  agencies.   The  budget                                                                    
proposal included  $5 million for rural  public professional                                                                    
housing which would apply to  a wide variety of workers. The                                                                    
budget  also  included  $5 million  for  the  Department  of                                                                    
Commerce,  Community  and  Economic Development  (DCCED)  to                                                                    
market Alaska  and encourage new  businesses to come  to the                                                                    
state. Oil  and gas tax credits  would be fully paid  off in                                                                    
FY  24  to  the  tune  of  $42.7  million.  The  Washington,                                                                    
Wyoming, Alaska,  Montana, and Idaho (WWAMI)  program had an                                                                    
increase of 10 seats since  2022 for medical students, which                                                                    
would cost $2 million in capital investments and funding.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steininger continued  to review  slide  11. The  Alaska                                                                    
Marine  Highway System  (AMHS) was  funded at  a level  that                                                                    
allowed  the ships  to be  running  a full  schedule if  the                                                                    
capacity was there.  The details of the  federal funding for                                                                    
AMHS  were still  uncertain  and OMB  was  working with  the                                                                    
federal government  on some  of the  match issues.  He noted                                                                    
there may  be budget amendments  to address the  finality of                                                                    
the negotiation. Additionally, there  was $4 million for new                                                                    
public use  cabins and park  sanitation. Finally,  there was                                                                    
$56.2  million in  net salary  adjustments  included in  the                                                                    
budget, with $31.3 million of that being UGF.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon  asked how much  of the $31.3  million would                                                                    
flow through the Department of Public Safety (DPS).                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Steininger  responded  that   he  would  follow  up  in                                                                    
writing.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Edgmon thought  it was  a disproportionate  number                                                                    
relative to the other state agencies.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  asked  about   the  $5  million  for                                                                    
marketing  Alaska. She  wondered  if he  could elaborate  on                                                                    
whether the  money was intended  to be utilized  for tourism                                                                    
in addition to resource  development opportunities. She also                                                                    
asked  if there  was there  a  plan to  replace or  maintain                                                                    
vessels with regard to the federal funds for AMHS.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger  responded that  the marketing  efforts would                                                                    
be   through  DCCED   and  the   intention  was   to  spread                                                                    
information   to  other   states   about   Alaska  and   the                                                                    
opportunities  in the  state. He  thought DCCED  could offer                                                                    
more  information   on  the   plan  to   encourage  resource                                                                    
development  and  industry  growth. He  assumed  that  there                                                                    
would be budget amendments related  to AMHS once the details                                                                    
of the federal funding had been worked out.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:43:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Tomaszewski asked  for more information about                                                                    
the $2 million WWAMI funding.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger  responded that the  $2 million  was intended                                                                    
to fund  a capital project  to build out classroom  space at                                                                    
the  University of  Alaska Anchorage  (UAA).  He would  send                                                                    
more details in writing.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ortiz stated his  understanding that AMHS was                                                                    
fully funded through  federal dollars and there  were no UGF                                                                    
dollars  allocated   to  it  under  the   governor's  budget                                                                    
proposal.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger  clarified that there was  some state funding                                                                    
in the  budget for  the ferry  system. He  did not  know the                                                                    
exact breakdown but could provide it in writing.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger advanced  to slide 12. He  indicated that the                                                                    
statehood defense  investments had continued,  including $10                                                                    
million  in   funding  for  litigation,   expert  witnesses,                                                                    
studies,  and outside  counsel.  Previous appropriations  in                                                                    
the area  had been more  narrowly focused on  litigation but                                                                    
dedicating the funds to a  wider variety of subjects allowed                                                                    
for   a   broader   look  at   statewide   defense   issues.                                                                    
Additionally, there  was funding for the  Department of Fish                                                                    
and Game  (DFG) for  wildlife research  and funding  for the                                                                    
Department  of  Environmental  Conservation  (DEC)  for  air                                                                    
quality  monitoring.  In  DOH,  there  was  a  $9.5  million                                                                    
initiative to  address congenital syphilis  and tuberculosis                                                                    
and provide  health coverage to  post partum  mothers. There                                                                    
were  a few  food  security investments  as well,  including                                                                    
$4.6  million   for  DFG  and  the   Department  of  Natural                                                                    
Resources (DNR) for fisheries and  livestock, $3 million for                                                                    
power infrastructure for the Delta  Junction farm region and                                                                    
co-op,  and  $3  million  for produce  processing  at  Point                                                                    
Mackenzie.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger  continued to  slide 13  and spoke  about new                                                                    
public safety investments.  There have been a  number of new                                                                    
Alaska State Trooper  (AST) positions added in  the last few                                                                    
years which  were becoming filled as  new troopers graduated                                                                    
from the academy.  He relayed that the AST  academy had been                                                                    
successful,  and  the  budget  was  fully  funding  the  new                                                                    
positions.  Additionally, there  were 30  new administrative                                                                    
support positions to  allow the troopers to  focus on public                                                                    
safety  work.  There  was also  $14.2  million  in  assorted                                                                    
capital   investments.   Other   investments   included   an                                                                    
appropriation  for  $2.5  million   for  the  Department  of                                                                    
Military  and  Veteran Affairs  (DMVA)  to  fund the  Alaska                                                                    
State  Defense  Force, $10  million  for  the University  of                                                                    
Alaska's  (UA)  drone  program,   and  $2  million  for  the                                                                    
Business  Enterprise Program  (BEP). He  explained that  BEP                                                                    
was a  program to  help blind  and disabled  businesses with                                                                    
startup  costs. The  fund was  subject to  the CBR  sweep in                                                                    
previous  years and  the proposed  $2 million  in UGF  would                                                                    
help rebuild the fund.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger moved  to slide 14 which  included a clipping                                                                    
from the  ten-year plan. He  highlighted rows six  and seven                                                                    
which illustrated two fund  sources: total available revenue                                                                    
and status quo deposit or  draw. Under the status quo, there                                                                    
would be  significant deficits going  into future  years and                                                                    
all reserves  would be  eliminated by FY  27. It  would also                                                                    
jeopardize  the PFD  and require  significant reductions  in                                                                    
public services.  In the governor's ten-year  plan, a target                                                                    
for new revenue  was included, which referred  to the amount                                                                    
of  revenue  that  would  be necessary  to  provide  a  full                                                                    
statutory  dividend, maintain  a  healthy  CBR balance,  and                                                                    
provide for conservative growth  in service levels. He noted                                                                    
that row four on the  slide represented a match-only capital                                                                    
budget,  which would  also involve  some  constraint on  the                                                                    
upward boundaries of state spending.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:51:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Ortiz  understood   that  if  the  increased                                                                    
revenue  goals were  reached, the  capital budget  would not                                                                    
increase  any further.  He did  not think  it would  address                                                                    
growing deferred  maintenance costs. He wondered  how it was                                                                    
a ten-year  plan in terms  of addressing the  state's future                                                                    
needs.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger responded that the  $220 million in FY 25 was                                                                    
enough  to cover  the  match for  programs  such as  surface                                                                    
transportation,  village  safe   water,  and  other  primary                                                                    
capital   projects.  It   also   included   some  room   for                                                                    
discretionary capital  to address  other needs. There  was a                                                                    
designated fund that was not  included in the numbers on the                                                                    
slide that would produce about  $30 million per year to fund                                                                    
deferred maintenance  for state facilities. It  also did not                                                                    
reflect federal programs for which the state might qualify.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  asked  about the  statehood  defense                                                                    
fund allocation on  slide 12. She noted there  was a lawsuit                                                                    
filed last  week in Juneau  regarding a parcel of  land that                                                                    
was Alaska Native  owned. She wondered if such  a case would                                                                    
qualify for statehood defense funds.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger responded  that he was not  familiar with the                                                                    
lawsuit but could say that  DOL's civil division had budgets                                                                    
for pursuing different types of  cases. He thought DOL could                                                                    
offer more information.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson referred  to  slide  14. He  noted                                                                    
that the  projected operating budgets  in the  ten-year plan                                                                    
were  just  slightly  higher   than  the  current  operating                                                                    
budget. He  thought there  could be  a higher  population in                                                                    
the state  in the future  and wanted  to know how  the world                                                                    
could look so fiscally similar in eight years.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger responded  that there was more  detail in the                                                                    
expanded ten-year  plan. On the agency  operating and agency                                                                    
formula  side, the  projected spending  grew by  1.5 percent                                                                    
each year.  The growth  was offset by  paying off  debts and                                                                    
the state had  not incurred new general  obligation debts in                                                                    
a while.  There were  a few  other statewide  items dropping                                                                    
off the  books, such as oil  and gas tax credits.  While the                                                                    
overall change in  the operating budget from FY 24  to FY 23                                                                    
looked small,  it was netted  with reductions in  other rows                                                                    
that were collapsed.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:58:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin returned to slide  7. She asked if the                                                                    
vacancy  rate  listed  for  DEED   simply  referred  to  the                                                                    
department, or if it included  the vacancy rate for teachers                                                                    
and other  classroom support employees.  She had  heard from                                                                    
various districts  that they  were experiencing  the highest                                                                    
vacancy rates in decades.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger  responded that  the number  represented just                                                                    
the department employees, not teachers.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin thought  the number  would look  very                                                                    
different  if  it  included  teachers  and  other  classroom                                                                    
workers.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger remarked that OMB did not collect the data.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin noted that  in an earlier conversation                                                                    
about DOC, she was told that  there was a line item added to                                                                    
ensure that  recruitment and  retention efforts  were taking                                                                    
place in  order to maintain  an appropriate level  of public                                                                    
safety officers.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp summarized  what he  had learned  from                                                                    
the  presentation.   He  understood  that  there   would  be                                                                    
substantial  Medicaid  redetermination efforts  which  would                                                                    
involve  an  additional  liability  for  the  state  in  the                                                                    
operating budget  of $69.2  million; however,  the liability                                                                    
monies  would  not  be  included in  the  budget  until  the                                                                    
redeterminations took  place. He asked if  he had understood                                                                    
correctly.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger thought  Representative Stapp's understanding                                                                    
sounded fair.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp asked  if  there was  a resource  that                                                                    
would show the breakdown of Medicaid dollars.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steininger responded that  OMB had reporting information                                                                    
on the  Medicaid population based  on type through  DOH, but                                                                    
there was  no way  to know  how many  people would  be found                                                                    
ineligible  until  the  redetermination  work  was  actually                                                                    
done.                                                                                                                           
Co-Chair Johnson reviewed the following meeting's agenda.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:03:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:03 p.m. HeHhh